Well these are a perfect partner to a sig 365 9mm. clocked at 1300 plus from a 3" barrel. This is a lightweight perfect backwoods backup bullet. matching buffalo bore loads it is pretty impressive. I also run these through the kimber micro 380 and the penetration would suprise most 380 critics. What can i say. These are exactly what most people need when treking the lower 48 with a pocket pistol.

These are great shoots will buy more

These are real good shooters in a beretta 84 beats any jacketed bullet ive tried.